aright i got my car and pretty much all the mods were already in it except the x pipe. problem is aside from the blower im not sure exactly what else i have in it. ive been tryin to get in touch with the kid who owned it to get a list but its been a few weeks and he hasnt gotten back to me, and i need to know everything thats in it b4 i can fix my tune. ne1 know where i can go to get it checked out and not have to spend a months pay gettin it ripped apart? im in the bridgewater area, and like i said i cant do shit with the car til its tuned. thanks for the help.
how many lb's you running? 8-10 maybe??? if the last tune you pumped out 360-390RWHP you must have stock internals, can you hear stock cams in your car??? give me some more clues on how it sounds... im gunna try my best, i eat breathe and sleep 2V's
ive never had the car tuned so i dont know how much rwhp im gettin...and i wouldnt know the difference in sound between stock cams and super cams...and i suck...this is my first 4.6, i had a 5.0 and 3.8 b4, and ive never done anything more than putting an air intake on for mods. im a late bloomer sorry. apreciate ya tryin to help tho. i actually do hear a tickin noise wen i open up the throttle, tho im thinkin thats actually an exhaust leak between the driverside header and mid pipe.
no prob, we were all at the same point you were sometime, how many lbs. are you pushing on your bost gauge?, with from reading your mods i say your pushing between 360-380RWHP, i highly doubt you have forged intenals or you would be pushing well over 400 to the tire, aftermatlet cams will sound choppy or you can hear a lot of lope, i'll right back when im not working, hope this helps you out
aright ive only had the throttle wide open a few times and i believe it was between 7-9 lbs, and at idle the vacuum is 20. i havent really been drivin it that hard tho like i said cuz it needs to be tuned. and btw i need the tune because it will stall if the engine is under compression and then i throw it in neutral...wont do it all the time but id say 90% of the time. i will double check tho tonite on my way to work and see how high i can get it to boost, let ya know in the mornin.
i have nothin to compare it to right now but it does sound choppy, and the engine usually idles slightly above 1000. and btw those mods i have listed might not all be correct. stuff im 100% on are as follows: vortech v2 s trim, c&l plenum, bbk valve covers, catted x pipe, flowmaster exhaust, and long tube headers. im just guessin on the throttle body size,and any other nonsense i mite have wrote on there lol. thanks again man
STOP !!! What you are doing !! if your car needs to be tuned ... the worst thing you could be doing is throttling it up to see how much boost your making . If she's running lean on top with boost = broken car or at the least a blown head gasket . Just get it to a good tuner and he will be able to asses your car for you . Here is one clue for you to figure out how much power you are or will be making ..... Look to see if you still have the stock air meter . It will most likley be inside the right ( passenger side ) fender . If this is the case then the stock meter will pegg ( 5 volts ) at around 350 rwhp . If you see a Diablo Mafia plugged between the meter and the meter's harness then it should be good for 450 ish rwhp . If you have the lightening meter . Which is a 90 mm Airmeter ... stock one is 80 mm ... depending on the year of the car, you will have an intake temp sensor in the intake tube . 02 and up has it in the air meter . I had an 02 GT with a novi making 10 # of boost with a bassani catted x - pipe and a magnaflow cat back and an accufab elbow and 70 mm throttle body and it made 370 rwhp . On meth it made 390 rwhp . this was before I ripped it apart and forged it all up to make 520 rwhp .
ya i no its the worst thing i could be doing. i opended it up only once or twice b4 i found out it needed to be tuned and already blew a seal in my headers or exhaust. havent opend it up since, and didnt open it up last nite cuz i talked to my buddy who was with me wen i did open it up and he said it was at 5 psi not 7, so i guess im not gettin as much power is i thought, and dont know if that has to do with the tune as well. im gona go check out the airmeter tho. thanks for the advice.
Yes the tune can make all the difference on how your car runs . 5 psi sounds a bit low . Should be at least 8 with the kit you have . Anyway when you go to the tuner make sure you have a fresh serpentine belt . Your belt could be slipping . Look for belt dust around the pulley of the supercharger . This is a tell tale sighn the belt is slipping and costing you boost. Also slap in a fresh set of plugs . I used NGK TR6's in my 02 with the blower . They are a colder plug and will help keep detonation ( AKA pinging ) from happening .
ya i was just down at cd performance they said they would do it tomorrow. throwin a new chip in it, custom tune and dyno. my belts only 2 or 3 months old same with the plugs, mite still throw new ones in if i got time between now and then we'll see. and ya i thought 5 psi was too low too, every other set up like mine has had atleast 8. maybe i had a little play left in the pedal i duno. o well find out 2moro. thanks again for bearin with me guys i appreciate it.
ya i was just down at cd performance they said they would do it tomorrow. throwin a new chip in it, custom tune and dyno. my belts only 2 or 3 months old same with the plugs, mite still throw new ones in if i got time between now and then we'll see. and ya i thought 5 psi was too low too, every other set up like mine has had atleast 8. maybe i had a little play left in the pedal i duno. o well find out 2moro. thanks again for bearin with me guys i appreciate it.
-- Edited by lotisully86 at 14:14, 2008-03-27
stop right there. stay away from CD Performance. He is only good for parts that you are paying cash for. He is a thief, stole some money from my friend then wrote him a forged check that bounced!! My buddy still has the check. Give Pete @ Peformance Dyno in NH a call or Chris @ XX Tuning in East Hartford, CT. They are the only tuners in New England still around that are worth going to.
ooo maybe thats y he said he only accepted cash and wouldnt take checks and was stayin away from credit cards lol...hmmm...ive heard mixed reviews about all these places...i was told by dennis at dmcracing to go to dezracing, but i figured id check this place out 1st since he is doing $20 an hr dyno runs...and this guy told me 420 for a new chip, custom tune, and dyno... rip off?
x2 Dez did all the tuning for me . He is a great guy and will stand by his tune . He not only dyno's it , but he will go for a ride after with you to make sure the drivability is spot on .
1st, call Bob at CE Racing, tell him the guys from Blackout sent you, and he will help you out.....
2nd, I agree with the others about talking to Pete @ Performance, he did my original tune and I was very pleased. Current tune was by Outlaw Dyno in Milford, Ma. They're fairly new but do some great work aswell.
3rd, i'm guessing you have a chip in the car right now with what sounds like a pretty shotty tune. When you go to which ever tuner you choose, junk the chip and pick up an X-Cal II tuner.
4th, until you get a good tune in it, STAY OUT OF BOOST!!!!
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1st, call Bob at CE Racing, tell him the guys from Blackout sent you, and he will help you out.....
2nd, I agree with the others about talking to Pete @ Performance, he did my original tune and I was very pleased. Current tune was by Outlaw Dyno in Milford, Ma. They're fairly new but do some great work aswell.
3rd, i'm guessing you have a chip in the car right now with what sounds like a pretty shotty tune. When you go to which ever tuner you choose, junk the chip and pick up an X-Cal II tuner.
4th, until you get a good tune in it, STAY OUT OF BOOST!!!!
arite im all set...went and got it torn apart a lil bit and tuned today...wats in the car 1st: vortech v2 sq c&l plenum stock 65 mm t.b. larger than usual air release valve for the sc 42# injectors bbk valve covers long tube headers catted x pipe cam is definatly aftermarket its also menathol? injected...except the line to the tank is cut off, he thinks it was ran to the windshield wiper fluid tank, and he had never seen/worked on the type of pump i have in there so he's not sure if it works or not so he just left it alone
there was no chip in the car, there was a diablo sticker on the chip housing tho so either the previous owner either had a chip and took it out or had a flash tuner and reset the car to stock....aka fucked up
i didnt get the numbers for the 1st run on the dyno printed out, which was using the "stock" tune...but i remember it being around 290 rwhp with 5 pounds of boost, dont rememeber the torque was prob in the 270-280 area tho
so i bought a sct sf3 power flash and he gave me 2 custom tunes
what im presently running is 356.39 rwhp and 355.80 torque at 11 psi my other tune is 372.69 rwhp and 364.30 torque at 11.75 psi
im bringin it back in the next week or so cuz he said we could go higher but that he cant listen for detonation properly right now because i have an exhaust leak sumwere after the headers and once i get the menathol injection back up and running
money spent was $420
thank you everyone for your advice and feedback i really appreciate it
i ended up at cd performance...now b4 sum ppl rip my head off i think he did a pretty good job...im gonna bring it prob to dez and have my numbers double checked as well.
the a/f ratio was runnin just above 12...give me to the end of the day to post my sheets i gotta scan them and shit ive never scanned b4 but just the word "scan" seems to rhyme with "pain in the ass"
lol ya i think id like to see myself go in a straight line more than doughnuts too...plus i need to get sum stock rims and burners for that thing b4 im doin any crazy burnouts and doughnuts...fuckin tires are 260 a pop im tryin to make them last thru the summer and i dont wanna fuck up my rims ...dont mean to sound like a pussy but im just sayin lol
ill fuck around with it a lil tho dont worry just nuthin crazy yet
please post your dyno sheet. I want to see if those are ASE corrected. That seems really high with no intercooler. Your blower is going to run very hot thus adding heat soak. Gotta be careful and get an intercooler. It seems that shop just maxed out your power and didn't make it safe. That air/fuel is okay.. but should be a little lower.
On your bottom end, don't add more power because it will be likely to blow. Do not run meth in it unless you build it up.
ya my bad i will get those sheets posted in a lil bit i still need to figure out my scanner i never used it b4...and im bringin it down to dezracing in a week or two to get those numbers double checked but the guy said that the cams must have been done or else i wouldnt be gettin that much power. as for the intercooler, im takin that methanol pump off today and testin it to see if it still works...and i do think the air fuel is still too high as well cuz my stalling problem is still there, i duno if ive said it on here b4 but it stalls only wen im comin to a stop and throw it in neutral and does it randomly...i could drive the car for an hour and it won't do it once and i could drive it up the street and itll do it three times. could it be sumthin besides the icu and air fuel mix? maybe because i have a stock throttle body or the o2 sensor?
hmmm, the stalling sounds like it has something to do with your MAF or IAT sensors, might wanna check those out. Those power levels are very normal for you at 11lbs, so as I said before and "9T9" said, its more than likely you have stock cams in it...
If it were me, I would take it to a better shop where the people actually know these cars and have them go all through it. Like I said before, give Bob at CE Racing a call and let him take a look at it.
Its just silly to keep "mickey mousing it," its not about how much power you have, its about driveability and safety. AND if you don't know much about your car and you take it to people who dont know much, then your not gonna get very far.
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aright well i just talked to the original owner...cams arent done but bottom end is...and as for tuners he said stay away from preformance dyno in nh because the motor thats in it now isnt the motor that was in it wen it went in there. guess it went to get tuned and the motor blew comin home from there. anyways 8qt oil pan, ebach springs, steeda lower control arms, 4:10's, im gettin the whole list wedensday
im meetin with him tomorrow to get a detailed list...but he said the bottom end is done, forged, 8 qt oil pan...it's not the same motor that blew i dont know what was done on that one, i guess this is the 3rd engine in the car, the 1st tuner he went to blew the 1st engine themselves, i forget the name of the place but it was in whitman, took them three months to replace it, brought it to perfomance dyno and it blew comin home, then he put in the motor thats in there now and got it tuned with the methanol injector but he was only able to get 1rwhp of that injector and couldnt get the detonation to go away, i forget which tuner he went to that time. i havent had a problem with detonation...yet, im just havin a problem with it stallin out randomly. well atleast i know i got a car with low miles, only about 15000 on it when he traded it in and ive almost put 3000 on it, should last me a long time.
the first tuner from whitman is MPE, that once doesnt surprise me too much, but the one from Pete does......any idea who was building the engines?? That could be the reason...
Sounds to me as the previous owner didn't have much of an idea what he was doing either, because a blown 2V on 11lb's of boost with meth injection should be putting out about 450rwhp, then blowing up, not blowing at 350rwhp
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but the one from Pete does......any idea who was building the engines?? That could be the reason...
Sounds to me as the previous owner didn't have much of an idea what he was doing either, because a blown 2V on 11lb's of boost with meth injection should be putting out about 450rwhp, then blowing up, not blowing at 350rwhp
couldnt be my boy pete!!! if the engine wasnt built right its not the tuner! remember mineral02??? his blew up but was tuned at DEZ and from what i gear about him he also knows his shit!
couldnt be my boy pete!!! if the engine wasnt built right its not the tuner! remember mineral02??? his blew up but was tuned at DEZ and from what i gear about him he also knows his shit!
thats exactly what I meant, its very possible that the engine was half assed and the tunes had nothing to do with it.....oh well atleast its figured out now
-- Edited by TheCat033 at 15:03, 2008-04-01
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couldnt be my boy pete!!! if the engine wasnt built right its not the tuner! remember mineral02??? his blew up but was tuned at DEZ and from what i gear about him he also knows his shit!
thats exactly what I meant, its very possible that the engine was half assed and the tunes had nothing to do with it.....oh well atleast its figured out now
-- Edited by TheCat033 at 15:03, 2008-04-01
Let me clear something up for you guy's .... First off my engine was far from half assed . So i hope your not saying that about me .. Second Dez had nothing to do with what happened to my engine . When he tuned it it was making great power and was a safe tune . I .. being the power junkie that I am . Decided to play with the PMS and add a little timing and take out some fuel because of the Meth to try and make a 10 second pass at the last track outing for the year . As a result I melted two pistons and destroyed the right head . Funny thing was I never even heard a hint of detonation Go figure . I also had a wide band but I think it was not reading right . SO this was my fault and not the tuner's . Also there is so many reasons as to why a power adder car can be as you put it " blown up " .. A fuel pump going bad under boost , An injector going bad , a clogged or partial clogged fuel filter , A bad tank of gas , or a meth pump failing when the car is tuned for it . or the meth nozzle filter clogging , or running out of meth while into boost . You see I no longer fly the methanol flagg . It's just not worth destroying an expensive engine over 40 more horse power . Meth is a dangerous add on in my opinion . Because you have to get aggressive with the timing and lean out the fuel table to crazy levels to make the power and all it takes is for some reason for the meth kit not to turn on and by by engine . I had one meth pump fill up with water and fail . I also had the injection nozzle partialy clogg causing detonation . . I would rather see some one use a shot of nitrous or an intercooler . I hope this clears things up
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.. Second Dez had nothing to do with what happened to my engine . When he tuned it it was making great power and was a safe tune . I .. being the power junkie that I am . Decided to play with the PMS and add a little timing and take out some fuel because of the Meth to try and make a 10 second pass at the last track outing for the year . As a result I melted two pistons and destroyed the right head . Funny thing was I never even heard a hint of detonation 
